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Tech Tip: Question Zion Old Bolts - any info?

Discussion in 'Tech Tips and Gear' started by ratagonia, Jun 18, 2013.

  1. ratagonia

    ratagonia

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    I have seen these bolts in many Zion canyons. This one near Labyrinth Falls (Parunaweap) is in particularly good condition, but I remember seeing these in Pine Creek and elsewhere.

    Do you have any information on the history of these bolts? I would be very interested in the historical story these bolts tell, if not lost in time. Please tell, email to me if you wish to remain anonymous.

    I can tell you that ones I have removed have been very, VERY solid. I no longer try to remove them, since the only thing I can do is cut them off flush with the rock with a hack saw, which takes 20 minutes. Also, I now think that bolts of this era should be left in place as historic artifacts, though using them should perhaps be discouraged.

    Tom

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  2. Brian in SLC

    Brian in SLC Brian in SLC

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    Several in Icebox as well, I dimly recall. Old caving strap hangers, popular in the 60's?
  3. Brian in SLC

    Brian in SLC Brian in SLC

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    Been cogitatin' on this a bit...then I remembered something...

    There's an article in the 1954 AAJ by Fred Ayres on climbing the Kolob Arch. Interesting on a couple of fronts. They sniffed around the Icebox area a fair bit looking for a viable route. And, in the article, they state:

    "A few weeks previously, two Philadelphia climbers, Victor R. Fritz and
    George H. Riley, had made an attempt,"

    And:

    "We noticed that our predecessors had used expansion bolts here, but we were able to avoid them by
    driving angle pitons into an overhead crack."

    I dunno if any of these fellers are still around, but, if they were, they might be able to at least confirm what vintage the bolts/hangers they used were and if they were similar to the ones we've seen in Zion.
  4. hank moon

    hank moon kinetically bulbous

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    one from Mystery Canyon, at a trivial downclimb (that was once perhaps non-trivial)

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  5. Wes1

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    That webbing was still there 7-13-14!!!


    Wes
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  6. hank moon

    hank moon kinetically bulbous

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    Yeah, good rapide bait. :)
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  7. Wes1

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    No quick link on it anymore......


    Wes
  8. Mountaineer

    Mountaineer Is that an X slot?

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    Seems Zion canyons usually have "extra" gear around. More so than other areas.
  9. Brian in SLC

    Brian in SLC Brian in SLC

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    On track for record breaking visitation this season.

    http://www.nps.gov/zion/parkmgmt/upload/ZION-VISITATION-2004-2014-2.pdf

    With the shear volume of folks through the canyons...I'd say its doing ok. From 2013 stat's:

    Here are the top 10 most visited sites with the “national park” designation:
    • Great Smoky Mountains National Park - 9,354,695
    • Grand Canyon National Park - 4,564,840
    • Yosemite National Park - 3,691,191
    • Yellowstone National Park - 3,188,030
    • Olympic National Park - 3,085,340
    • Rocky Mountain National Park - 2,991,141
    • Zion National Park - 2,807,387
    • Grand Teton NP - 2,688,794
    • Acadia National Park - 2,254,922
    • Glacier National Park - 2,190,374
    Given the BLM's attention on the Sandthrax campsite and area, I'd guess I'd prefer to see a bit of "extra" webbing around rather than the "extra" stuff us humans can leave...

    Arches has a fair amount of "extra" stuff, too, methinks. Ditto some of the shorter, more popular gigs around Moab. Etc.

    Also...I keep seeing invites for clean ups in the L.A. area canyons. Some of those areas get pretty trashed...but...not by the standard garden variety canyoneer folk methinks.

    Popular venues will see more trash, unneeded sling, etc. On local popular routes here...we sweep up after folks. Two candy wrappers, some tape, a rope tag, a new stopper, and, a new BD C3 cam from last weekend. Heavy sigh...such a burden...ha ha. I haven't had to buy any sling in YEARS.
  10. ratagonia

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    last weekend, obscure canyon, RARELY done:

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  11. ratagonia

    ratagonia

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    Last rap in Heaps, last weekend (Sal Ciro photo), the red sling was added in the last month:

    SalLastRap7_20by900.

    but you know, those easy rap and swim kiddie canyons - beginners going through there all day long...

    :moses:
  12. Brian in SLC

    Brian in SLC Brian in SLC

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    Its funny. No matter how new the webbing is on multiple anchors, folks will double and triple up on it.
  13. Tom Collins

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    There was so much webbing running through the rapide at that drop in heaps that we had trouble getting the rope through it. We ended up using the one tied to the cord anchor instead.
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