Someone said: "I hate rope grooves. "I am very grateful for those who have developed ghosting techniques, placed appropriate bolts, extended webbing etc. I don't have the veteran status as most of you have but here are some my thoughts... There should be increased discussion/training especially in beta about where/how to minimize rope grooves. For instance Behunin canyon has several places where rope grooves should not be... The length of the rappels is a factor (more rope pulled across the rock) but a big factor is people are attempting to pull the rope with "less" rope. i.e. the final rappel should be pulled from 40 feet or so from the bottom of the rappel to get a clean pull but that takes more rope than many have on hand. I also see conflicting anchor/webbing placement some are clearly designed to reduce grooves other are to minimize visibility but perhaps at the expense of the rock. I think we can develop a better standard for extending webbing, where you should stand for pulls, canyons that should not be done without a fiddlestick, etc." Discuss!