Correspondence from an active canyoneer: "Hi Tom, We've likely corresponded a bit in the past. I have been canyoning around Hanksville for the last 10 years. Our core group are experienced mountaineers and expedition cavers. We've got a lot of experience with rigging and setting anchors, especially as cavers since we have to be very careful of rope rub, and all ropes get re-ascended. So far we've avoided placing bolts and stuck to traditional rigging. I've noticed a slow increase in the number of poorly placed bolts in the more popular canyons. I've also seen a lot of unsafe rigging. And I've seen a lot of unsightly rigging: 30 foot slings winding around corners. Finally, I'm seeing a lot more rope grooves. Do you think it's worth starting a discussion among the more experienced canyoneers around properly bolting some of the more popular canyons? I'm willing to help out with this. I think it would increase safety and lower the environmental impact. And I think we could be selective around what canyons to do it in. If so, who else should be involved in this discussion? I don't think it needs to be a formal thing. Probably better if it's done anonymously if only for liability reasons. But if some of the leaders in the community speak out in favor of selective bolting maybe we can avoid the bolt chopping wars that have plagued various climbing communities as well as setting some social guidelines around when and where bolting is appropriate. Regards, xxxxxxxx"