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Tech Tip: Question Stop Me From SPINNING! (on long rappels)

Discussion in 'Tech Tips and Gear' started by ratagonia, Nov 24, 2014.

  1. barleywino

    barleywino

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    The double figure 8 which Rich used to sell had the twist created from one wrap of the rope around the 8 cancelled out by the twist created by the second wrap of the rope. I no longer remember how the wraps were done, does anybody have a diagram?
  2. ratagonia

    ratagonia

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  3. Rapterman

    Rapterman

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    Tom mentioned rapping lefty as a solution: in a couple of practice sessions I have rigged for left handed brake:
    really seems to work to counter rope twist from right handers.
    Assuming most of your crew is rapping right handed.
    Anyone try this in the field?
    (Safety note- Please do NOT rap opposite your dominant hand unless you have practiced with belay!)
  4. Moab Mark

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    A little off the original topic but I have noticed that the squirrel sure seems to put a lot more twist in the Rope than any of the other Figure 8 devices we've ever used? We did the 300-foot Rappel in Egypt 2 I could not believe how much the squirrel twisted the Rope. Most of the other devices were the critter 2. Substantial difference.

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  5. Deborah Davis

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    I rappel lefty most of the time, because I am left handed. I have never noticed that I spin less on rappel than right handers. I think I am more than likely mainly pushing the twists down the rope as I rappel, rather than untwisting them for myself. I think the untwisting that does happen would mostly benefit the next person down.

    Just a note to say that many (if not most) rappel stations have a right-hand bias to them, and can be a pain to work with as a left hander. I practice rappelling right handed when convenient, so if I'm intimidated by a right-handed station, I can switch to a right handed rappel, rather than having to switch sides on the rope or do the weird rope twist to get it set correctly on my device.
  6. Rapterman

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    Hi Deborah
    While right handed, I have found it to be a useful technique (using a CRITR2) to switch hands for
    awkward starts and weird canyon geometry.
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  7. Rapterman

    Rapterman

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    Canyon-Fu Master Moon
    has NEVER twisted a rope or spun in space while rappelling...
    Regardless of the device: Eight, SQWUREL, CRITR, Tube, ATS, Biner Wrap, Munter, etc.....
    And regardless of the rope.....
    Perhaps he could share his technique?

    (If it does not require an arduous apprenticeship)
    :D
  8. hank moon

    hank moon lovely ligatures

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    Moon refer you to master list caveat. Since that post, I did have one fun rope twirl in Court of Patriarchs: 1 am, knot pass in space about 300' off the deck, spinning like a top. Could have been a problem had the spin caused any major discomfort. It was a SQWUREL, so maybe I should update that caveat list.

    I wonder if this guy (about to drop a 300' free hang in a cave) had any issues? Love the classic Prusik safety.

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