I had forgotten to mention; we were also going to do the best we could to clean up trash in the canyon. Tom and Ram had mentioned a year or so ago that there was trash dumped near the 4th rappel. We kept our eyes open for any trash near the rappels, and happily, didn't really find a dump area. (I was wondering how someone would have dumped stuff there anyway, based on it's remote location.) We did find, and clean, small trash items through the canyon. Much of it was likely from the group that was in front of us at the start. Don't know if they dropped other stuff after we passed them. We still found some cans and other items at the camp locations; but nothing that was significant. (Unless we totally missed something.) Anyway, just thought some folks might want to know that... Take care, A.J.