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Discussion in 'Tech Tips and Gear' started by KBDave, Sep 13, 2019.

  1. KBDave

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    I'm a novice at canyoneering. I've done some rappelling before, but I've only been actual canyoneering once. I'm currently in a canyoneering class in college, and I aim to continue the sport after this.

    I am thinking that I should get a rope. I won't be going solo or anything, but I also don't want to be a total leech when it comes to tagging along on trips with people. I've got a harness and a couple of carabiners and a CRITR2, I still have to get a helmet and a few more quick links, and tubular webbing. Anything else that I should definitely get?

    I am looking at 200 ft ropes, in the 9-10mm range. Does this sound appropriate for a beginner? I'll be doing Southern Utah canyons, nothing huge at first but I'll get there.

    Thanks in advance.
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  2. ratagonia

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    You do not need a rope. Helmet and wetsuit would be your first significant purchases.

    Once you have done a double handful of canyons, you will have used several different ropes and will, perhaps, find a style that you find best. Quite a few people purchase a rope very early based on a flood of internet opinions, and figure out somewhat later that they bought something that turns out less than ideal.

    Tom
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    The other way to tell when you need to buy a rope is when one of your more-experienced canyoneering friends pulls you aside and says "it would be nice if you would buy a rope".

    Tom
  4. Jeff Randall

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    When you do decide to buy a rope I highly suggest the Imlay 8.3mm Canyon Fire. We use it for just about everything recreational - caving to canyoneering, and also use it in lightweight mountain rescue rigging in dual tension systems. Awesome rope and very static. In fact, I'm about to place another order for another one. I've got several lengths now that I use on a regular basis depending on what we're doing but need to pick up another 300 footer for some upcoming training classes we have planned.
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  5. KBDave

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    Thanks Tom. I will hold off on a rope for now then. I have never used a wetsuit, where do I even go to buy one? I feel like this is something I would need to try on or get measured for.
  6. ratagonia

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    Adventure Plus in St G has a good selection, and TJ is a hardcore canyoneer. I have found a 4mm/3mm (aka a 4/3) (meaning, most panels are 4mm, but some are 3mm for greater mobility) works well for Zion and Utah in general. They are stretchy, so unless you are of unusual build one of the standard sizes should fit you well (although TJ might stock (or could order) tall sizes).

    Tom
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  7. KBDave

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    Sweet, I'll have to make a trip down there next week. Thanks again.
  8. almghtymuffn

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    Digging this back up for another rope rec. New member, but I've been canyoneering for a few months now in the San Gabriels. Friends are telling me its time to get a rope.
    I'm looking at these three:
    -Imlay Canyon Fire
    -Sterling C-IV
    -Sterling Canyon Lux

    I can get each of these for 'nearly' the same cost, so cost is not a factor for me.
    I've researched what I can and generally I've read that Imlay is good value but some report it getting stiff sooner than others, C-IV is super bouncy and hard too see, and canyonlux isn't holding up to expectations.
    I am mainly a caver so I'd like to be able to use the rope for both, but this rope is mainly for canyoneering.

    I'm indecisive AF on this and would really appreciate the advice.
  9. hank moon

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  10. almghtymuffn

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    Lol new member, didn't know enter submitted haha

    @hank moon
    It was mainly due to price, since I was able to find deals for them. Canyon fire was original option but I found some others. Although I think the Canyon lux deal has vanished..
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    I think you will like the sheathing on the Imlay to be superior to Sterling. We use a lot of Sterling rope (HTP mainly) for training and rescue work, but for canyons and caving, Imlay rope rules the day for us.
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  13. garthkevin1

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    Funny I was just researching this as well. So Imlay Canyonero or Canyon Fire which is the better option?
    Any thoughts on the Atwood ropes??
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    I've been using the Canyon Fire for a long time and it's my go-to rope. Just picked up a Canyonero but haven't used it yet. With that said, it's the same rope just a larger diameter and larger MBS. Will be trying it out soon since a group of us are headed to Valhalla to bounce it again but I already know it's going to be a good rope.
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    >So Imlay Canyonero or Canyon Fire which is the better option?
    Canyonero is more durable but a bit heavier, so typically is used for canyons with more "cutty" rocks. The weight difference is minimal, ~6oz/100ft, but I've found people really try to avoid bringing the heavier rope. So I guess it depends whether you want people to use your rope or want them to avoid using your rope. :p
  16. almghtymuffn

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    Thank you all for the input! Was on some 'bouncy' rope last night and I understand that elongation factor a little more.
    I'm gonna go with the Canyon Fire.
  17. Canyonero

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    I routinely outfit people that I go with. It is far more annoying to try to find them a wetsuit, real canyon boots, a harness/rappel device, pack, armor, and a helmet (in that order) than to supply ropes, anchoring, and pothole equipment. I've already got that other stuff, need it, and must take it. But I don't necessarily have a wetsuit or boots in your size.

    Personal gear first, then group gear. Ropes are group gear.
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  18. Canyonero

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    There are Atwood ropes now? I think it's still just rope for a little while longer.

    https://atwoodgear.com/collections/ropes

    But I do prefer the Grand to Canyon Fire. Looking forward to checking out Rhapsody.
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    Atwood Grand and Canyon Fire are very different animals. Grand is specialized for lightest possible weight. Fire is meant as an everyday rope for all but cutty canyons. Canyonero is a bit much for general canyoneering, but if you are going to jug on it I like the Yero.
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  20. Kuenn

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    I predict you will be very happy with it. :thumbsup:
    I've used it at Valhalla and Weavers...ascends like the PMI big dogs!
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