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Tech Tip: Question rappel device for bigger guy

Discussion in 'Tech Tips and Gear' started by Jeff Schaber, Jun 25, 2018.

  1. Rapterman

    Rapterman

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    Hi Jeff
    This is Todd, inventor of the CRITR.
    The CRITR controls heavier people very well.
    This is an early video of a 350 lb load test (me and 200 lbs of lead shot) on single line 8.3mm canyon rope on the CRITR.

    Sorry about audio.
    Best
    Todd
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  2. Jeff Schaber

    Jeff Schaber

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    "Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

    THIS!

    Is why I want to try as many as possible and find out what I feel the most comfortable with. Everyone likes what they use for one reason over another and all the points made here are an outstanding resources for someone like me that doesn't get to use these devices on a regular basis.

    The money spent is well worth having a device I'm comfortable with and it gives me back ups in case the situation calls for something different.

    I would rather cut weight in other areas than worry about a few grams between devices. Hell, if I just made my sandwich a little smaller I wouldn't be looking for a rappel device for a bigger guy!
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  3. Jeff Schaber

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    Thanks Todd, I have one on order. Can't wait to try it!
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  4. 2065toyota

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    A nokia flip phone works also, but I'd rather use my Samsung S8
  5. Bill

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    I prefer to use my phone for navigation and beta but I still carry paper copies in a ziplock as a backup.

    Maybe this should be new a thread but what you all packing for a secondary or back up descender? I have a hard time believing people are dual wielding totems out there.
  6. Brian in SLC

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  7. hank moon

    hank moon lovely ligatures

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    FISK4EVER.
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  8. Rapterman

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    Brian-
    It will be less crazy once they bother to actually TEST it to an official standard.
    The EU does not look kindly upon the sale of rescue devices without proper marking.
  9. Jeff Randall

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    Call me crazy but I use a mini-rack for long rappels and it's an incredibly smooth and easy ride all the way to the bottom with absolutely no rope twist. I carried one through Heaps and did the final raps on it - easiest thing I did the whole day. Used an ATS for all the raps inside the canyon.
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  10. Brian in SLC

    Brian in SLC Brian in SLC

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    http://www.lasabuelasdesevil.com/productos/Catalog/listing?q=resonator

    I've seen a number of prototype devices for sale in Europe over the years.

    If they don't have markings...my guess is that implies that they aren't tested, and, hence, its your risk? Might not get away with that in the sue happy US but in Europe? Not sure.

    Anyhow...interesting....
  11. Rapterman

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    One of my peeves as a USA manufacturer of safety equipment:
    If you are going to make something for LIFE SUPPORT (even in your garage) then please
    take some RESPONSIBILITY for tensile testing the part to the appropriate standard(s) or equivalent.
    Both the CRITR and the Sqwurrel were extensively tested for use as personal rappel devices before
    release into the wild.
    :moses:
  12. 2065toyota

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    6' 5". 210 lbs. CRITR by far my personal device of choice. A worn out ATS in my pack as a backup up or a figure 8 if I feel we may need a contingency for some canyons.
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  13. hank moon

    hank moon lovely ligatures

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    I recently had the opportunity to test this claim, and can vouch for it. Did the last two mantatory raps in Mystery Canyon (ZION), tandem, with a person significantly larger/taller and heavier than myself. Approximate load including packs: ~400 pounds. Rope was 9 mm PMI EZ-Bend, so a fairly fast rope due to its suppleness and clean/dry state.* No trouble controlling the load, with no feeding or jacking the rope. Great friction options w/CRITR.

    * it was dry for the Mystery Springs rap, wet for the final rap. Same friction setting used for both raps with fine performance.
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  14. Scott Byington

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    At 6'1" 220ish (+/-) plus pack weight, I carry the following items:
    ATS, CRITR, HOODOO

    All fun to use, lots of friction options and uses.
    Just depends on the type of mood I'm in.
    Using the different configurations including the stich plate has been a great way to mix it up and repurpose the device.

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  15. Canyonero

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    What setting?
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  16. hank moon

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    2B, surprisingly. And this was a CRITR1, FWIW.

    CRITR-2B copy.
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  17. Canyonero

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    My CRITR2 seems really light compared to the huge steel carabiner it's attached to.
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  18. Canyonero

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    Why does that surprise you? I start with setting 1 alone (190 lbs + gear) on a free-hanging rappel with typical 8-9 mm single line. I would have guessed you had to go to 2 with another person, I was just curious if that was enough, too much etc. Did you try 2A and change on the fly or just guess 2B and it worked?
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  19. hank moon

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    Surprised because having used that setting several times for just-me, I did not expect it to work for more than 2X my weight. The power of extending! And the lower-angle terrain.

    And yes, tried 2B as a first choice and it worked.
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