Is it wrong to provide beta on any canyon without knowing who you are giving it to and how they are going to use it? In the case of popular, well established canyons like Keyhole, Mystery, Imlay and Pine it probably doesn't make a hill of beans difference. The people doing those canyons are probably using the beta from the black book or published guidebooks, not beta from anyone's site. Most are beginners, and don't even realize there might be electronic resources for this type of thing. However, there are many special canyons that could be sensitive to heavy traffic, have a particular local ethic, or are unusually remote, difficult or pristine. I believe that this type of canyon is negatively affected by "easy" beta. If someone really wants to do one of these canyons, they should be willing to put in the effort to gain the necessary skills and the respect of those they want to share beta with. I believe that this type of effort helps to instill a respect not only for the canyons, but also for the system. If you had to work hard to get beta, whether doing research, calling in favors, or pioneering routes, my guess is you won't hand that beta out to just anyone. By making the requester contact the source directly, the source can emphasize the unique conditions and ethic of each canyon. The source can also make a case for "why should I give you beta?" This may seem elitist to those who are trying to get "easy" beta, but for those who have put in the time, the realization will come that it is merely a way to influence who, how many, and how often. For those looking for "easy" beta, there are plenty of good sources. I think Tom has done a good job posting "easy" beta for appropriate canyons, and not posting beta to other, special canyons. I don't think that Shane makes this distinction. I think Shane will give you any beta he has if you are willing to pay him $15. As for maintaining a site Shane, you must pay what, $40 bucks a month or something? Give me a break, even I could afford that without feeling too much of a pinch. This is a personal interest endeavor rather than a public service.