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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Wes, Apr 7, 2014.

  1. Wes

    Wes

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    How long of a rope is needed?


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  2. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    Seriously? You can't take the time to look it up? Do you have any idea what you're getting into?
    Sounds like you've done your homework ...
  3. Tom Collins

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    There is a page on this very site that details what you need, and even what to expect in the canyon. If you are too lazy to even look that far, I'm not sure you would enjoy doing the canyon as there will be effort involved.
  4. Wes

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    All the beta I've read is not clear on the longest/last rappel length so I just wanted conformation.


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  5. Wes

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    I just wanted to be clear that my 60m rope would be long enough for the last rappel.


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  6. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    It never hurts to have more rope than you need. Go with the longest that any of the beta gives you. Sheesh. It's not that hard
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  7. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    This is the "future" of the "sport"...

    Reminds me of the king crimson lyrics.

    "Knowledge is a deadly friend when no one knows the rules. The fate [canyoneering] I fear, is in the hands of fools."
  8. Wes

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    Thanks asshole! :)


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  9. Tom Collins

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    Its true bootboy was very blunt, but he's also right, your question could have been answered with just a little reading and thought. If you google pine creek canyon the first 4 links are all to different beta sites and every single one lists the longest rappel as either 90 or 100 ft. You have a 200' rope, I think that should be plenty, especially since beta writers tend to err a little on the long side when listing the longest rappel.
  10. Mountaineer

    Mountaineer Is that an X slot?

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    Sounds like a new 60m rope would be close, 180'. I would bring extra rope to be sure, and be prepared to block, extend, and pull.
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  11. hank moon

    hank moon kinetically bulbous

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    Sometimes you THINK you have a 60m rope but it is actually 55m due to shrinkage. So, it is important to measure how long your rope is, especially when length is critical . Note: confirming the faded end tape reads "60 m" is not actual verification.

    Take more rope than you think you will need. Some always go with the "3X rule*," though some may take offense at the suggestion that there are "rules" in this activity. :) * Meaning: take 3X the length of the longest drop in rope, in appropriate lengths (say, 3 x 100').

    Note: this is the "curmugeonly" corner of online canyoneering. Y'know, where people still think FAQ's make interesting reading. :)

    Is Pine Creek to be your first canyoneering endeavor?

    hank
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  12. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    That's why I'm here. You're new, it's my job.
  13. yetigonecrazy

    yetigonecrazy living legend

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    a question asked is a question answered. ask a question like that, and youll get an appropriate answer. thats pretty standard on internet forums these days, not just CC....bootboy would be considered nice and polite on some of the forums i visit
  14. Wes

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    No it is not it will be my 4th canyon.



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  15. Deagol

    Deagol too many hobbies

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    I say just downclimb it....
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  16. Wes

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    Sounds good :)


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  17. skeeter

    skeeter A holed piston is just an ashtray

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    Bring some pullcord. I'd say the chock stone rap is a solid 100'. Like hank said, ropes aren't always what they say. Also depending on group size one rope will equal slow
    Skye
  18. gajslk

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    You know, given how smart and polite this guy comes off, maybe it wouldn't be the end of the world if he rapped off the end of his rope. ;)

    Gordon

    I know, I know. Just kidding.
  19. Mountaineer

    Mountaineer Is that an X slot?

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    Oh, and 60m, a static rope, right? 60m is a common length for climbing (dynamic). Canyoneering ropes (retail purchase) are usually pre-cut to 100', 120', 200'...
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    Mountaineer Is that an X slot?

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    Yikes. It's happened. Hopefully toss 'n' go limitations and risks are known...
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