Pine Creek Exit Route

I'm looking at the recent road closures and wondering if there's a not-horrific way to do Pine creek. I see the canyon overlook trail gets to the top of the great arch - is there a way to get up there from the bottom of pine? Would I be better off hiking canyon overlook trail, leaving fixed ropes and jugging up once I get to the bottom of Pine? Just wondering if anyone knows of a decent route that doesn't use the tunnel. Thanks!

As far as I know. The tunnel is your only way up. You'd have to leave a whole lot of rope if you wanted to jug back up. And I'm pretty sure the park service and any visitors would have a few things to say about you leaving hundreds of feet of rope dangling like that.

Was kinda thinking about "hiding" it near the south side of the arch near the exit of the canyon. Hopefully no one would see it other than fellow canyoneers. But that's a good point.

There will always be another chance to do Pine Creek.

Also

https://www.nps.gov/zion/planyourvisit/canyoneeringregulations.htm

Probably enough of a canyon for the park to classify it as such for leaving fixed ropes.

From the Permits website:

Terms of the permit require that you to exit out Pine Creek Bridge then walk to Canyon Junction as Hank posted off the website.

Or you could fix ropes in the canyon. That way you get to do it twice. Be sure to leave a note on the bolts before the first rappel.

Tom

What a fun and skills challenging suggestion. For a route that gets an abundance of traffic - one direction - this would add a new level of variety rarely experienced in PC... would be my guess.

There most certainly IS!

(From a former shadow rider - aka Riding Shadows)

Do it later in the day to avoid the crowds.

One of funnest trips was doing pine creek in the dark with headlights completely full of water

Wanna clue a guy in? How do you get from the bottom of pine to the top of that arch? Or are you referencing Tom's novel suggestion?

Jug your canyon gear up one of the multipitch aid routes on the East temple. The new Ziron man challenge.

Oh well, not like I needed an excuse to buy more gear but now I guess I'll buy a pair of etriers
All the east temple routes start from the top side of Pine though! Mountain Project doesn't list any that climb up from the valley floor. Maybe there's a route up from the bottom that's not too bad though.... Let's see what google earth thinks....

http://canyoncollective.com/threads/riding-shadows.19123/

If you're into planned jugging it's a picturesque place for it. Daylight or by the shadow of the moon.
(I said it was doable, you'll have to decide if it's feasible.)

Leaving fixed ropes in Pine Creek would be more doable and feasible in my opinion. I know of people who have done it before

What's the rope length on that, Kuenn?

You could also wait 2 weeks or so, when the road will re-open.

We have been rigging it with 650'. However, we were anchoring to a small pine tree and backing up to a BFR several feet back. Last time I was there a set of bolts had been installed (we didn't install them) that would save 75' of rope. Drop estimate is 475'.

I saw the NPS website said "a minimum of 3 weeks." Government work I'm involved with leads me to believe that the listed April 30th date will likely turn into sometime 2050 Is Zion usually pretty efficient when it comes to their road repairs?

This is an outside contractor. Certainly an unusual project, with uncertainties.

Tom