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Pack Rafts Are For Wussies

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Canyonero, Aug 13, 2016.

  1. Canyonero

    Canyonero

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    After 75 days and almost 2,000 miles, on Tuesday he rose out of a slough at his destination: the Southwest Alaska fishing village of Emmonak, near the Bering Sea at one of the Yukon's mouths.

    There, local salmon roe man Jim Friedman heard that a stranger had just arrived. He went to the dock by the fish plant to see if the man needed help.

    "Where's your canoe?" Friedman asked.

    Don't have one, Morin answered.

    "Where's your kayak then?"

    Morin didn't have one of those, either.

    "Then how'd ya get here?" Friedman wondered.

    "I swam," Morin told him.


    http://www.adn.com/outdoors-adventu...board-nearly-2000-miles-down-the-yukon-river/
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  2. spinesnaper

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    Batshit crazy to quote Lindsey Graham.
  3. joeb

    joeb middle aged guy who lies around alot

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    so you can still get the old school canvas surf mats - and I would love to try using that and a pair of fins instead of a pack raft in the GC. Far more control and ability to deal with rough water than a pack raft. Have used them in fairly large surf and quite fun. But in prior postings on this subject everyone is quite concerned about not rocking the proverbially boat with the GC park rangers so haven't yet.
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    joeb middle aged guy who lies around alot

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  5. ratagonia

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    Looks super fun.

    In the GC, the problem being you also have a pack, and being IN the water for 4 hours on a surf mat does not seem like it would work. Not really so much problems dealing with rapids in a pool toy. Any real rapid you walk around (certain exceptions). Any real rapid on a Surf Mat could be a hot mess as you can't really see anything from that far down on the water.

    Certainly if you were doing a short transit without an overnight pack, the surf mat might be the way to go. Could also sleep on it.

    Tom
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  6. Brian in SLC

    Brian in SLC Brian in SLC

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    What about for 75 days?

    Talk about dishpan hands...

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    hank moon kinetically bulbous

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    It may be a futile wish
    to keep a few white spots on our maps,

    but human adventure, in its original sense,
    lost its meaning,

    became an issue for the
    Guinness Book of World Records.

    Scott and Amundsen
    were clearly early protagonists,

    and from there on
    it degenerated into absurd quests.

    A Frenchman crossed the Sahara Desert
    in his car set in reverse gear,

    and I am waiting for the first barefoot runner
    on the summit of Everest

    or the first one hopping into the South Pole
    on a pogo stick.

    - Werner Herzog
  8. joeb

    joeb middle aged guy who lies around alot

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    Tom,
    four hours to go the max five miles? you must be referring to the very top, eastern section where you actually have to paddle. The cove canyon section took us at most two hours to go the roughly five mile distance where we had to stop a couple time to empty the excess water swamping the pack rafts. I would have preferred the surf mat as no worries about charging the riffles and no wasted time draining the rafts when they got swamped. For 29 mile wash we spent twice as much time blowing the darn pack rafts up as floating the 1 mile section of river. If not for the park regulations I would have just jumped in the river with my wetsuit and life vest for the 20 minutes down the river.
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  9. ratagonia

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    The speed of the river varies widely from place to place and time to time.

    YMMV.
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    joeb middle aged guy who lies around alot

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    Tom - you should come out with a back pack lined with dry bag. tough enough to survive descending the canyon intact and then doubles a flotation device to ride down the river! of course would need the large disclaimer "pool toy" printed on the side. Only fools and true watermen would use it this way and how I would be categorized would be determined by whether you talked to my wife or not.
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    We already have that.

    The problem is, that a watercraft, even in the pool toy category, requires a LOT more volume than you would want in a pack.

    Tom
  12. joeb

    joeb middle aged guy who lies around alot

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    In all seriousness - it would need to do the following:
    1. recess/hide the shoulder straps and waist belt (make this the bottom side)
    2. make the "bottom" extra sturdy to protect against rocks, etc and weighing so it would naturally flip to "bottom" side down in the water
    3. make the "top" side smooth with side handles to ride it like the surf mat.
    4. have enough air volume to make it somewhat maneuverable

    I don't think it would need that much air volume as it doesn't need to support you out of the water like a pack raft but only enough to act like a boogie board/surf mat.

    So I am crudely doing the math:
    1. gear = 50 lbs
    2. top half of person with rest of body in the water = 80 lbs
    3. .016 cubic feet of air to float one pound
    4. Therefore need at least two cubic feet of air or 1700 cubic inches
    4. Standard pack - has 4500 cubic inches - assuming gear fills two thirds

    So aren't we close?
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    Sounds like you see a business opportunity. Go for it!!

    Tom
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