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Order of the Marginal Anchors

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Bootboy, Oct 16, 2014.

  1. Kuenn

    Kuenn

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    and your point is?? Oh I see it now, only one hanger has 2 rusted quick links...yeah, bad form.

    Don't open that p-box... I've got a boat load of marginal examples there. Cavers have lazy, low-life form when it comes to proper anchor ethics.

    They're obviously covering the risk with the 11mm pmi pit rope, on the left.
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  2. hank moon

    hank moon lovely ligatures

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    Like my old buddy David Bain used to say, "good to the last drop."
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  3. Jolly Green

    Jolly Green

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    A big pothole. Usually holds water. Not today. What to do?

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  4. EvergreenDean

    EvergreenDean OK with what happens

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    What, no webbing available? Tryin to ghost it?
  5. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    And ghost it we did :)
    Nothing left behind.
  6. Jolly Green

    Jolly Green

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    "Webbing" is usually a borderline curse word only mentioned when all other options are exhausted. While it is sometimes needed, in this spot we would have used a suspended sandtrap or potshot anchor before even thinking about leaving any webbing. The fiddle shown was the least likely to leave any rope grooves, so it won out.
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  7. Canyonero

    Canyonero

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    It looks like only a thin layer of mud on top of sand. Why not a sand trap? (Aside from the obvious desire to add a post to this thread.)

    That said, I'd rap on that, but I would worry a bit about the rope pinching between boulders when it gets pulled.
  8. Jolly Green

    Jolly Green

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    We did a quick pull with the first guy down and it worked. No need to subject that lip to the grooves of a sandtrap.
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  9. Furthermore

    Furthermore

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    Found this gem in the alpine.
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  10. CarlosValdez

    CarlosValdez

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    Some anchors, all in the same canyon in Guadalajara, Mex.

    Last rap 5th right side (or 6th depending if the get in canyon rap (100m form tree) was done or not, you can hike a side creek to get in the main canyon)
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    left side 5th rap, to a filled pothole then a small jump and swim/snorkel through a sifon or climb the rock and out. this was the better anchor.
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    R4, directly on waterfall to an hydraulic (the wash machine "la lavadora"), decided to use "center anchors" to avoid hydraulic and get a little wet (no photo), there is a rightmost natural anchor (rock bridge) so you dont get wet (not fun).
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    3rd rap, left side, not so bad.
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    3rd rap, right side ... thin pass "paso de los delgados" rap directly into a thin crevice/hole.
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    second rap, offside waterfall rap, big rock in the center of waterway.
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    2nd rap right side, waterfall rap.
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    first rapel, right side, had to use this. 13580611_1820792198167365_4079615909870668533_o.


    First Rappel, see something missing? left side, usual anchor.
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  11. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    lets try to keep this thread bolt free. This is more a showcase for creative and NATURAL anchors that pass for rappelling and not much else

    anyway...

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  12. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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  13. french_de

    french_de

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    My favorite from Cliffs of Insanity in Death Valley.
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  16. Mike Zampino

    Mike Zampino Canyon season never ends.

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  17. Mike Rogers

    Mike Rogers

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    Not sure if this qualifies as a marginal anchor, but it was an interesting one. Sorry the knot chock doesn't show up better. Had to be careful to weight it in the right direction and not allow too much slack lest it work free. More marginal was the awkward start over a sharp edge.
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  18. ratagonia

    ratagonia

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    One of the most awkward rappel starts of all time. We used the knot chock, with a rock tied into the webbing, way back there. At times the anchor itself is underwater, making it harder to judge and perhaps less secure... :moses:
  19. Mike Rogers

    Mike Rogers

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    When I saw the venerable Tom (am I emphasizing the "wise" sense of venerable, or the "old" sense? You decide!) in a different thread describe this rap as one of the most awkward starts of all time, I got a bit nervous. I'm a damn rookie, and I know it. How would I survive? Looking at the start first hand...same question!

    What I wound up doing, was putting a second piece of webbing, with a knot chock, as a hand line, to provide a grippy bit to help ease body weight over the edge...definitely one you don't want to slam into. This had the side benefit of pressing the main anchor knot more securely in the crack. (And the unfortunate side effect of leaving behind a second length of webbing.) I think it made a big difference with the net result being this turned out to be not even the most awkward start in this slot--but it sure merited some thinking and attention.
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  20. Ram

    Ram

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    As Jim knows, speed rules the day. The fiddle is faster (not to mention easier to do multiple drops with). It is easier to mitigate rope grooves too. The sand trap had a bit of a problem with that, but new ideas, mats, material, potshots protecting the edges, have made that problem disappear. We had to repeat some canyons to even discover there was a problem.

    It has been fun to watch how the 4 primary ghosting techniques have evolved and how that has effected what % of the time each technique gets used.
    The fiddle is used much more. Captures are used much more. Sandtraps much less and water anchors, still used least, have doubled usage, with new generations of the devise making it easier, faster and warmer to set up
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