Ran a trip through both canyons this past weekend. Dropped in up the side drainage of the typical entrance off the horn. Canyon is full and cold. Both major potholes are swims and all webbing was in adequate condition. My group of 6 were in dry suits and were all pretty cold by the last rap. Daytime high was 54. Group of 2 in front were in 4/3 wetsuits and were really cold. Ringtail is also about as full as I’ve seen it. Cold, dark, and fun.