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Keyhole/Pine Creek conditions

Discussion in 'Utah' started by Outdoors24, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. Outdoors24

    Outdoors24

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    Is it warm enough this time of year to go through Keyhole and Pine Creek without a wesuit? We are also planning on Echo canyon as well, but I have read that it stays pretty cold in there. Thanks for your help!
  2. cjhaines

    cjhaines Chris

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    We just went through Echo. Definitely appreciated a wetsuit. I'd probably say same goes for Pine and Keyhole

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  3. John Diener

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    Went through PC with my daughter Aug 7. Essentially tippy-top full (some long swims), although given the water was pretty fresh it was also relatively warm. So yes, I'm sure it can be done without a wetsuit, but why if you have the choice? Probably uncomfortable and makes margins slimmer...
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  4. Scott Patterson

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    It depends. If the canyons have just flashed the water can be relatively warm in both canyons. It gets colder as the water sits and evaporates.

    I have done Pine Creek four times and three times the water was (relatively) warm and the other time it was nearly dry. No wetsuits were needed for any trips. Other times it can be very cold even in summer.

    I have done Keyhole six times. The water was freezing cold the first time I went through (May) and relatively warm the other times. If you don't hit the canyon right after it flashes, the water will be cold.

    Echo almost always needs a wetsuit. The only exception is when it is dry or nearly so, but that doesn't happen often.

    For these two canyons, the NPS usually has a good idea of conditions. Ask them. If they say a wetsuit is needed, then take it.
  5. Outdoors24

    Outdoors24

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    Thanks for the responses!
  6. Jbancerewicz

    Jbancerewicz Jerzy

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    Canyon Pine Creek has many water many swims wetsuit required
    Canyon Midle Eco the same
    Canyon Keyhole is short only last part canyon has log soup
  7. ratagonia

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    SPRING 2019: Many changes in Pine Creek after our first real winter in quite some time. There has been quite a bit of sand shifting around creating longer swims than usual. There are fewer rappels; except for the (fairly new) 2nd rappel, most of the nuisance rappels are gone. (The landing of the 2nd rappel tends to break ankles. Please use a rope here, even though it is short.)

    The big rock in the canyon creating the last rappel in the narrow part of the canyon, which sometime could be downclimbed under, broke into parts and moved downward, so the single glue-in bolt placed about 2001 is now about 10 feet off the deck, and rather difficult to reach. There has been a long sling on that for several weeks, but I placed a new bolt yesterday, July 8, 2019 in this location. The rock is very sound, and the bolt is a stainless steel Powers blue tip 5-piece 1/2" x 2-3/4". I will place another bolt at this location sometime in the future, not sure when.

    Approaching the last rappel, the false floor of logs and gravel has been at least a little bit compromised. Two members of our team rappelled through a rabbit hole in the floor yesterday. It appears that the structure is well-supported by large logs... however, people are advised to be cautious of the false floor as further holes could open up.

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  8. Rowdy

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    I was happy to see the new bolt. The only way to access the original upper bolt last time was with our 6'5"/human scaffolding group member. Much safer now, thanks!
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