Send us a suggestion!

Fuzzy Ropes: Conflicting Opinions

Discussion in 'Tech Tips and Gear' started by darhawk, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. darhawk

    darhawk

    Messages:
    45
    Likes:
    70
    In a recent post, Tom suggested throwing away fuzzy ropes:

    http://canyoncollective.com/threads/worn-out-ropes.25295/

    Last year, he pronounced a similarly fuzzy rope well-used, but definitely still usable:

    http://canyoncollective.com/threads/toms-diatribe-about-ropes-march-2017-edition.24510/#post-104368

    I've looked reasonably hard at the two photos and see virtually no difference between the usable one and the throw-away one.

    Can anyone enlighten me? Is there a difference? Or did you change your mind, Tom?

    To be sure, on last year's fuzzy rope you suggested you would use it "without concern, at least for short rappels." So perhaps fuzzy ropes could be used with judgment on shorter rappels or those with less abrasion?

    Bootboy suggested he raps on ropes that fuzzy. I do too. Ropes fuzz up pretty quickly in my experience. I feel like I might need a new rope every fifteen or twenty raps (say, 80-foot raps with a group of 6) if I start using fuzziness as a throw-away criteria. I had always been taught to look for more than fuzziness.

    Views on this issue?
    Rapterman likes this.
  2. ratagonia

    ratagonia

    Messages:
    4,088
    Likes:
    4,866
    Location:
    Mount Carmel, Utah
    When I get my test machine, I will try to nail down the difference here. Certainly Chris's fall was an eye-opener.

    Tom
    Dave Melton, Rapterman and darhawk like this.
  3. ratagonia

    ratagonia

    Messages:
    4,088
    Likes:
    4,866
    Location:
    Mount Carmel, Utah
    A little fuzzy - no concern. A LOT fuzzy - no go. The question is how do you determine the diff between "little" and "LOT"?

    Will work on it when the tools are available.

    Tom
    Rapterman and darhawk like this.
  4. 2065toyota

    2065toyota

    Messages:
    703
    Likes:
    776

    My opinion is that if you are in question of it, have someone with knowledge inspect it or get a new one. Ropes are not very expensive and longer fuzzy ropes make really good less fuzzy short ropes. It's amazing how many people I go with that don't have any short ropes. The value of these in canyons is often understated. My guess is that 75% of raps are 60' or less. In most cases, everyone in our group generally brings a rope, even if its only a 40 to 60' length. Working ropes for short raps, can tie together for pulls on longer ones if needed.
    Dave Melton and Rapterman like this.
  5. Rapterman

    Rapterman

    Messages:
    971
    Likes:
    1,288
    'Fuzzy' just one factor?
    Age
    Stiffness
    History of use
    Silt contamination...

    Sigh...guess ropes are like us old people
    Gotta retire us eventually
    :moses:
    Dave Melton, Kuenn and ratagonia like this.
  6. Kuenn

    Kuenn

    Messages:
    1,359
    Likes:
    1,415
    I think there is a noticeable difference - without splitting hairs.
    wellused rope-COLLAGE.2.
    Comparing the two images cited, examining the fiber count on top appears to be twice as many fibers severed in several weave sections as compared to the bottom image. Yes, they're both well worn, but there is a noticeable difference, IMO.

    Add to that age and use history as @Rapterman suggests and I think you have enough factors to make a decision you can live with.
  7. hank moon

    hank moon lovely ligatures

    Messages:
    1,294
    Likes:
    1,483
    Waitaminute. This post is all about splitting hairs! :)
    Tom Collins and Kuenn like this.
  8. Tom Collins

    Tom Collins

    Messages:
    510
    Likes:
    715
    Location:
    Woodland Hills, UT
    Nope, hairs are natural fibers, while these are synthetic.
    ScottM and Kuenn like this.
Similar Threads: Fuzzy Ropes
Forum Title Date
Archives - Yahoo Canyons Group Big Warm Fuzzy Sep 24, 2004
Accidents and Near Misses Trouble in Paradise-Stuck ropes May 30, 2018
Tech Tips and Gear Worn Out Ropes Apr 26, 2018
Tech Tips and Gear Getting New ropes Apr 16, 2018
Tech Tips and Gear Dyneema ropes? Feb 15, 2018
General Discussion The Secret Life of Ropes Nov 28, 2017