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News Five Ten no longer producing canyoneering shoes

Discussion in 'Tech Tips and Gear' started by Fat Canyoner, Aug 27, 2018.

  1. Fat Canyoner

    Fat Canyoner T2

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    I just posted this news to the Australian canyoning forum but figured it would be of interest to many American canyoneers also:

    I’ve just had confirmation that Five Ten are no longer producing specialist canyoneering and paddling shoes. The discontinued lines include the very popular Canyoneer 3 and Water Tennie (not to mention the very cool Eddy Pro shoes that were only launched last year).
    The decision has apparently been made to refocus Five Ten on it’s bigger and more profitable areas — climbing, approach, and mountain biking shoes — while abandoning the lower volume water shoes designed for canyoneering, kayaking, paddling etc.
    When Five Ten was purchased by adidas in 2011, a lot of people were nervous about what the sale would mean for this niche footwear. For the first five years those concerns were allayed as they continued developing new water shoes, taking advantage of the very sticky Stealth rubber (this proprietary rubber was probably a large part of the reason adidas bought the company). Unfortunately, those initial fears have now come to pass.
    I have confirmed with adidas that the Terrex Hydro Lace will continue to be produced into 2019, but for now that will be the only specialist canyoneering shoe produced by adidas or Five Ten.
    So if you love your Five Ten canyoneering shoes, it’s probably worth stocking up while retailers still have your size. Whatever is currently in store / online will be the last batch available.
  2. Jeff Schaber

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    I've been debating on buying a pair of canyoneering shoes for years now as I do it so infrequently however renting gear and getting stuck with a pair that fits poorly always has me rethinking this decision after suffering blisters.

    ZAC had a bunch of used canyoneers for sale last time we were there but none that fit. You can't find any of these type shoes online in the US and I hesitate to order from Europe taking a chance the size is right.

    I've read that many of the guide shops are moving to the Bestard Canyon Guide shoes and those have mixed reviews (some people complain of rubbing at the heal). I have an old pair of 5.10 Savants that are great however they are low cut, not good for cold water and provide no ankle support (these aren't made anymore either).

    The only place in the US that has the Bestard shoes is in St. George and they are $100 more than the cost with shipping from Europe so that's a tough sell. It will be interesting to see if these shoes start to become the standard and imported more (hopefully reducing the price).
  3. Fat Canyoner

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    Jeff, I really like the Bestard Canyon Guides. I've had them as one of my go to shoes for about five years. Interestingly, the newer low cut version doesn't really work for me. My partner, who has quite difficult feet, also likes the Bestard Canyon Guide.
    I did a review a few years back of my experience with them: https://fatcanyoners.org/2013/05/15/bestard-canyon-guide/
    I think with the demise of 5.10 in the canyoneering space, Bestard will become much more popular.
  4. hank moon

    hank moon lovely ligatures

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    The low-cut Bestard has a fatal flaw: major, incurable heel slop. Here's hoping Adidas will eventually mate Stealth with a good upper, something 5.10 never managed to do very well.
  5. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    I really like the Adidas Hydro Lace but they are so hard to find in the states. No online retailer regularly stocks them so its a perpetual scavenger hunt.
  6. Fat Canyoner

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    Totally agree. That's the killer for me. I love hiking in low cut shoes, just not these ones!
  7. Jeff Schaber

    Jeff Schaber

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    The low cut Bestards look similar to my 5.10 Savants. I actually read your review months ago when I was considering buying a pair. Talked myself out of it because I didn't want to order the wrong size and have to ship it back to Europe.

    Speaking of sizing, how is the sizing for the Bestards? The Canyoneers I would rent would typically have to be 1 to 1-1/2 sizes larger than what I normally wear to accommodate the neoprene sock. I read that these were sized so that you should order your normal shoe size but wasn't sure.
  8. Fat Canyoner

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    Jeff, I've found them to be true to size, although I only use 2mm neoprene socks, so that may change if you prefer something thicker. I find that the lacing system that goes all the way from the ankle to the toes means the shoe actually has a really forgiving fit. This is particularly important for people with broader or thinner feet than usual. If you are concerned, maybe go up half a size, but I definitely wouldn't go beyond that. The width can be varied with the lacing, the length can't...
  9. AlohaChris

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  10. Ultra Static

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    Meh. Just get the TX3's and call it a day. Best hiking and canyoneering shoe I've ever used.

    I purchased a pair of Terrex (Adidas) trail shoes, and they were without a doubt the most ill-fitting and incompliant piles of overpriced material I've had the misfortune to purchase.

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  11. AlohaChris

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    Have you use them in Zion? They're low tops, they've gotta fill with pebbles & sand.
  12. Ultra Static

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    Good point, I should have specified that I rarely canyoneer in Zion.

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  13. Yellow Dart

    Yellow Dart It's only hubris if I fail.

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    A true Fremen never kicks pebbles and sand in his shoes...
  14. ratagonia

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    Chris, I bought the workboot wetshoe and thought they were ok. They were really good for Narrows walking, but didn't provide the grip or support that Canyoneering boots like the Bestards (which I currently use and endorse) provide while doing the technical stuff. I also found that the softer toe box didn't give me as much protection as I wanted from the rocks that my toes inevitably kicked while river walking. I have them as back-up shoes, but don't look forward to ever having to use them again.
  16. Canyonero

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    At least they picked the right one to keep making.
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  17. Steve Rogers

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    New guy here...

    My personal favorite canyon shoe, possibly because I came into canyons from the white water side rather than the climbing side, is the Astral Rassler. Astral is a small company that makes specialist gear for paddlers, and the Rassler is their "extreme expedition creeking" shoe, made for trips that involve extended and difficult portages, scouting, and entry hikes. It's a slightly different challenge but also very similar, all about rock, water, and gradient.

    The shoes are very light and low profile with none of the "moon boot" aesthetic that I always hated in the 5.10 Canyoneer, you could wear them to an office and nobody would notice. They also have an almost unearthly capacity to grip wet rock. I have no idea what the soles are made of but they stick like nothing else I've ever worn, to the extent that (for me at least) wearing them ratchets up the confidence level noticeably.

    They have had some durability complaints, though my last pair held up as well as any other shoe I've worn... with one foot in white water and the other in canyons, in opposite seasons, I'm used to going through shoes pretty fast. Astral says they are coming out with a 2.0 version this fall that will solve those, and they would be worth a look. I'm at altitude in the tropics and my usual canyons do not involve a lot of sand (they do involve a lot of slick rock). As with any product what works in one environment might not be ideal in another.

    Not affiliated with the company in any way, just a recommendation for a useful product that doesn't seem to get much attention in the canyon community.
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  18. ratagonia

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    Cool. Will have to look into it when the 2.0 version is out late this fall.

    Tom
  19. Jeff Schaber

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    Those are interesting and priced very well too. Would you wear them true to size with a 5mm neoprene sock or would you go up any in sizing?
  20. Steve Rogers

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    I wear them with NRS Hydroskin 0.5 wet socks. I normally wear a 12 so I ordered 12. Out of the box they seemed uncomfortably tight and I was worried that they were too small. That is partly because my feet are wide in front and I have an enlarged big toe/foot joint on one side, courtesy of an old injury, without that they would have been just snug. I wore them around town for short periods for a while and they opened up just enough, been using them since without issues even on strenuous all day trips.

    If you wear thicker socks or have very wide or unusually shaped feet I would definitely suggest going a half-size up, maybe even full.

    That's just my experience and shoes are personal, if you search you'll find other comments, mostly on the kayaking forums/sites. That would give a wider base of experience on sizing.
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