Shane, I made a quick decent of Mystery on Saturday. On thing I noticed that kinda pissed me off was the piece of rope connecting the anchors on the long rappel into mystery springs. I had my knife in hand ready to cut the rope but ended up leaving it behind. IÂ¡Ã‡ll probably end up pulling the rope next time I decend the canyon. The first time I dropped into Mystery canyon was in 1995 and I seem to remember the canyon being much harder. Many of the difficult downclimbs or swims can now be bypassed by a simple walk through the trees or by setting up yet another rappel. I love to take new people through these canyons but damnit since when did canyoneering become a spectator sport. Next thing you know people will be dropping into the canyon with a bag of concrete so they can safely take grandma, her wheelchair and an oxygen bottle through the canyon. Why donÂ¡Ã‡t we go to the local crag, chop and glue the climbing holds so most 4yr olds can climb a 5.13b. Where do we draw the line. Tom, Next time you want to go chop some bolts let me know. IÂ¡Ã‡ll carry the crowbar. p.s I added a new piece of webbing to one of the few remaining original anchors in the canyon. Under the bolder above mystery springs. The knot on the other webbing was pretty sad looking. Thank you Chris s. Raver Web Systems Analyst Dynix <mailto:email@example.com> firstname.lastname@example.org Phone: 801.223.5629 Fax: 801.223.5202 <http://www.dynix.com> www.dynix.com -----Original Message----- From: Shane Burrows [mailto:email@example.com] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:52 AM To: Yahoo Canyons Group Subject: Re: [from Canyons Group] Re: dual diameter rope rapel >>A few months ago, I noticed that the screw link on the last rap in Mystery was very large. In fact, a small biner might pass through it and or at a minumum get stuck. << I pulled out most of the crap and back-ups and double back-ups and triple back-ups and rat nests and old webbing in Mystery two weeks ago. The last rappel now has a proper rapid. The canyon should now be rigged to the nice rap-n-swim tradition that ZIon Canyoneers have grown to adore.........I also collected a nice rack of bootie from Mystery............ Shane Groups Sponsor <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=249982.3179269.4495679.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 065873:HM/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12ongbbsq/*http:/hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/aut oredir?camp=556&lineid=3179269Â¢Ã§=egroupweb&pos=HM> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=249982.3179269.4495679.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=130962742> When you post, please change the Subject appropriately, to make reading and searching easier. You can use the following abbreviations: TRIP = Trip Report; BETA = Canyon Beta; PARTNER = Partner and/or Rides; ETHICS = Ethics; TECH = Technical Questions and Tips; BIZ = E Group Business; SALE = Stuff for Sale. Please use a Tilde ~ after the abbreviation, so we know you are coding for us, such as: Subject: BIZ~ New Abbreviation List - working? Bombastic Bolt Debates are allowed to only a limited extent. Folks should go to the Canyoneer Group for a truly un-moderated forum. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyoneer To change your delivery options, go to the Canyons Egroup page on yahoo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyons/ This will require logging into Yahoo. Click on the &amp;quot;Edit My Membership&amp;quot; link, and change your delivery option. Press &amp;quot;Save Changes&amp;quot;. WEB ONLY OPTION will not deliver email; you must visit the web site to view messages. Your use of Groups is subject to the <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.