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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by hank moon, Jun 10, 2013.

  1. TheBird

    TheBird [406]

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    Why is black webbing the standard in anchor color etiquette? It always made more sense to me to use tan. At least among the Colorado plateau canyons.
  2. Wes1

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    Tan works well in some canyons. However black tends to blend into shadows better, and works well in all canyons. GCNP is requiring black webbing now days.
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  3. Ram

    Ram

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    I used olive to solid results, as well as tan. For Grand Canyon, black does seem to blend best, which is good for that is the rule.
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  4. ratagonia

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    Climbers have been recommended to use "color matched" webbing for a long time. And it has not worked for a long time. Yes, tan, grey, rust can work in some places, but black always works. I think being very specific ("use black") has a better chance of working than being not so specific ("use webbing that matches the rock"). Being not so specific hasn't worked - let's try the "black only" route for awhile.

    Tom :moses:
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  5. Aquaman

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    I have questioned why black is preferred over tan, but at the end of the day, black is requested/demanded by GCNP and I think I have a duty as a citizen to respect that, and a duty as a canyoneer to try and cultivate a positive and respectful relationship with the National Park Service. Cleaning up and following the rules is one small way to aid in maintaining that positive relationship; if they requested neon green, I'd only place neon green webbing and I'd remove everything else (even if they looked very nice and discreet by my judgement).
  6. ratagonia

    ratagonia

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    How about if it is *me* asking you to do that?

    I would like the canyoneering community to be out in front of the land managers on this issue.

    In the past, there have been complaints from hikers about slings visible at the first or last rap in a canyon, when those anchors are visible from a popular hiking trail - TO the land manager. I complain about the circus colors because I consider them intrusive on the landscape and they bother me, rather than worrying about what hikers think.

    Tom
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  7. Brian in SLC

    Brian in SLC Brian in SLC

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    Another advantage of black webbing...when its not black, it probably should be replaced. Turns white after too much sun. Easy to judge if you know the original color is black.
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  8. Ram

    Ram

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    Styx Canyon, Death Valley February 14th 2016

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  9. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    Waterholes 2/25/15

    All of this was completely superfluous. None of it needed replacing. I've never been in a canyon with so many unnecessary and redundant anchors, hand lines, and just plain junk

    There was plenty more in there, but we didn't want to have all the fun.

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  10. townsend

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    The reason couldn't be stated any clearer than in the lyrics of the following song:
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  11. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    Slideanide 3/12/16

    there are some pretty silly anchors in there, still.

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  12. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    Englestead 6/2

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    Also scored 4 quicklinks on ONE anchor today in pine creek and there was still one left!
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  13. ratagonia

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    Nice new webbing in good colors! SCORE!

    Too bad we don't use webbing much anymore.

    T
  14. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    If I find and remove decent quality webbing, I tack it into slings for tree work. I have many....
  15. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    Pulled a bunch of crap out of Imlay yesterday as well. Some of it VERY old. That final rap anchor is always a disaster, so I cleaned it up a bit. I left more alone than I would have liked, but it is Zion after all...

    I've got quicklinks to last a lifetime from this week in Zion alone...
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  16. Canyonero

    Canyonero

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    You were in there the day after Jon. You can give him a hard time about leaving all that stuff!
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    Tirrus Rope rider.

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    Wife 5 cleanup and bolt removal with EvergreenDean.

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  18. Mike Zampino

    Mike Zampino Canyon season never ends.

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    Speak for yourself. :cautious: Although I am now fiddlesticking (which for me still typically uses webbing), I have not succumbed to the sandtrap or watertrap.
  19. Bootboy

    Bootboy Atwood Gear

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    Resistance is futile. ;)

    it's a different type of canyoneering for sure. Those tools are mostly used in places where there are simply no other options. Other times, they are great tools for reducing impact as well.

    Not everyone has an interest in that style of canyoneering, and that's fine. Nothing wrong with CHOOSING what suits your taste from the huge variety we have here on the plateau
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  20. Canyonero

    Canyonero

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    Even if it involves 12 new bolts and rope grooves everywhere? :)