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Creative Problem Solving 101-a

Discussion in 'Tech Tips and Gear' started by ratagonia, Sep 2, 2017.

  1. Tirrus

    Tirrus Rope rider.

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    AKA: Macrame?

    #shorthaul
  2. The Dread Pirate Roberts

    The Dread Pirate Roberts

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    How about everyone except the last person is lowered then rap the last part of the rope. For the last person down: tie a 120 to the 200, use a large biner that the knots can pass through at the anchor, set the rope up as if it was double strand rap, then anchor the pull side of the rope at the bottom of the rap. The last person raps the rap side of the rope (passing the knot), untie the anchor at the bottom, and pull hoping the knot goes through the biner.o_O One biner left behind.
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  3. ratagonia

    ratagonia

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    Good. And also, the last person does not have to pass a knot. They can set up just below the knot, which is just below the anchor, and be lowered from the ground anchor until the main rope touches the ground, then rappel from there.

    I have done this. A bit spooky. Helps to use a large round-stock biner (old style Attache). Might be necessary for that carabiner to be hanging in free air.

    Tom
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  4. The Dread Pirate Roberts

    The Dread Pirate Roberts

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    Even better!
  5. clangingsymbol

    clangingsymbol

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    This one seems pretty easy. Getting noobs down is not discussed, but not the hard part. Getting everyone down is the easy part. Getting your ropes takes just a little thought.
    • Put two tails of one 120 through the quick link.
    • Double the 200 through the looped end of that rope. Make sure the ends touch the ground. That makes it an estimated 95 feet of rope (half of the 200 with knot considered) plus 55 feet of rope (half of one of the 120) up one side to the anchor.
    • Tie the other two 120s together with one side tied to the tails of the rope through the anchor. Now you have plenty to rap on.
    • You have to pass the knot on the way down, but no problem for ratagonia!!!
    • Someone must tie into the bottom of the core shot rope to keep it from pulling. Would that be a "Human Block"??? I guess just a meat anchor!!!
    • Once everyone is on the ground, pull the 200 through the looped rope. This leaves no knots below the anchor in one side of the rope (but there is a loop...so be careful).
    • Now, pull the side with the two 120s tied together.
    Problem solved. Now, untie, coil (or stuff), continue down canyon to dinner and home. No gear left. Complete write up on the Collective to share the experience. Make sure pictures are included!!! Order replacement rope from Imlay Canyon Store.
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  6. ratagonia

    ratagonia

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    I use the nomenclature "Ground Anchored". Whatever way it is done (usually easily with meat), the important point is that the anchor is on the ground, ie, at the bottom of the rappel.

    Tom
  7. ratagonia

    ratagonia

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    If I parse it correctly, it is like this:

    Creative - check.

    There are of course a few issues:

    A. Will the loop pull through the upper ring (yes, if it is big enough)

    B. Will pulling the 90' of the 200' rope mess up the center of the 120' rope? (hard to say, maybe yes, maybe no. Wetting it might make it better)

    Tom

    Problem Solved.
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  8. clangingsymbol

    clangingsymbol

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    That is almost exactly the picture i drew on the back of my calendar at work!!!

    I should have included a "test the pull through the anchor before committing to this plan" in my write up!!!

    My concern was also the pulling of the rope. Question: If pulled it slowly, would that mitigate the "messing"?
  9. ratagonia

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    Maybe. Maybe not. Hard to say without giving it a try. Perhaps a good place for using that all-Technora sheath rope.

    Tom
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  10. gajslk

    gajslk

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    Or a quick link, so long as the one up top is large enough.

    Gordon
  11. Scott B

    Scott B

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    2 120's on rap side knot on end lower all but LAMAR the last 30'. fiddlestix pull side with core shot rope, LAMAR passes knot 30' off deck, pulls fiddlestix
  12. Shmulik

    Shmulik

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    If im in the rush i will take two down at a time on the poping munter but one is probably enough.
    Another option will be lower him down as he is rpping down, i can use the other ropes at the bottom side of the friction device to avoid potential fall.
    (Just coming back up as a loop out of the friction device)
    The mega change i will offer is for the last with out obviously a fiddle stick, to note i have used CEM on 200 more than once.
    I will isolate the core shot on the 200 for the pull side.
    For the rap side i will use 2 ropes of 120, but they will not be tied together, i will be connected via a sling with a bachman hitch.
    The pull cord will then be connected to the carabiner of the bachman.
    You do want a tail for the rope with the bachman but font over do it.
    The pros will be:
    1. No loop to get catch in high chance-close to the cliff vs the part with the bachman which can be pulled far away from the wall.
    2. Passing the end is way easier since you can put it above you & just move along side to the new rope.
    Note: before you move rope put on a knot to back up until you are ready to go on the new rope and it's obvious that it's safe.
    I've added a picture to try to get things clear.
    When B is the bachman, & RB is the releasing bachman side, you rap down the right rope

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  13. Shmulik

    Shmulik

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    It is in reply for you one above, it didn't connect you to the quote.
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