right...okay yeah i need to clarify. My pencil test was done using a single anchor point (a HUGE rapid link hanging from the ceiling of my garage), so no "Y" configuration. I think that should help clarify things! I have yet to test or try out either "Y" configuration, but plan to on our practice cliff. (also I need to point out that I was using a brand new ICG canyonero rope, and my fiddle stick is also the smooth operator variant but I made mine quite a bit longer than the one spec'ed on the bluugnome site) we are in agreement about the two different "Y" configurations I think though. The added stress on the fiddle stick in Bootboy's method is reduced by the butterfly knot and rapide method.