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Discussion in 'Tech Tips and Gear' started by hamid2010, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. Brian in SLC

    Brian in SLC Brian in SLC

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    I dunno. Folks buy canyon specific packs and ropes very nearly as a badge of canyon honor. Same with whatever new rappel gadget. Seems like a home grown line of canyon specific harnesses would find a market.

    Might bump up sales to 15... Of course, with the ultralight Sandthrax model, you could sell as "one and done" disposable.

    OMG...check out the who's who in the petzl harness review:

    https://www.amazon.com/Petzl-CANYON-Canyoning-Harness/dp/B004PGJP92#customerReviews

    He who's nickname shall now become "Dr. tucked in"? Ha ha! Fletch...such a classic...(memories of Stevee B in the house)...
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  2. hank moon

    hank moon lovely ligatures

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  3. hank moon

    hank moon lovely ligatures

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    It's true that a caving harness will be somewhat more 'tippy' than one designed for climbing, but unless one is especially top-heavy this doesn't present a problem in normal caving or canyoning use. I don't enjoy wearing my cave harness (Petzl SuperAvanti) for canyoning as it needs to be kept fairly tight to work well, which makes it uncomfortable when walking. The leg loops adjust with double-pass friction buckles, so they are inconvenient to adjust on-the-fly. My canyon harness has rapid-adjust buckles, as do most modern climbing harnesses.

    From Petzl caving harness instructions:
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  4. hobo_climber

    hobo_climber

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    Caving harness all the way. I use a Pretzl Fractio with a seat stolen from the petzl canyon. Still super comfortable without a wetsuit and I certainly ain't no euro model!

    low attachment point = more difficult and potentially dangerous is 100% bollocks.

    Don't listen to the center of gravity bullshit. 1000's of cavers world wide use low attachment point harness for 1000's of meters of descending (and ascending) every day/week/year and only use a chest harness to keep their chest ascender positioned correctly. Take a look at most caving chest harness... they are hardly structural! (I sometimes only use a bungee cord if going super lightweight!)

    Technique, technique, technique. get this dialed and you'll never have an issue with a low attachment point. Hang any hefty packs (not from leg or gear loops, but directly from your descender binner) and you'll have even less issues.
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  5. ratagonia

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    Thanks for clarifying this Hobo Climber. You should share your expertise with Petzl, because they are not aware of these bollocks...

    "
    5. Harness setup
    This harness, designed for ascending rope (low attachment point), must be worn
    to fit snugly at the waist and thighs. Wet and icy harness straps are more difficult
    to adjust.
    5A. Hold the harness by the waistbelt and slip it on over your legs.
    Join the attachment points with a locking connector that is designed to be loaded
    on three axes.
    Verify that the connector is properly closed and locked.
    5B. Tighten the leg loops and fasten the leg loop adjustment buckles.
    5C. Tighten the waistbelt and fasten the waistbelt adjustment buckle. Install the
    wear protector webbing.
    WARNING: if the word DANGER is visible, the buckles are not fastened and will
    come undone.
    5C bis. FRACTIO only: adjust the comfort belt.
    Adjustment and suspension test
    In a safe environment, move around and hang in the harness with your equipment
    to verify that the harness fits properly and provides adequate comfort for the
    intended use.
    6. Techniques
    Caving harnesses are designed for ascending rope. These harnesses are not
    suitable for rock climbing because the very low attachment point increases the risk
    of inversion in a fall."

    https://www.petzl.com/sfc/servlet.shepherd/version/download/0681r0000071zAGAAY
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  6. hobo_climber

    hobo_climber

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    6. Techniques
    Caving harnesses are designed for ascending rope. These harnesses are not
    suitable for rock climbing because the very low attachment point increases the risk
    of inversion in a fall."

    Key words there... nothing about making them more dangerous or difficult to abseil in. How often do you fall while abseiling/rappelling? Granted there is always a fall risk actually getting onto a pitch from any edge, but this is usually (hopefully) well managed with traverse lines and courtesy rigging. Once you're actually hanging in your harness, where is the fall risk?

    Enough of the scare mongering.
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  7. hamid2010

    hamid2010

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    Thanks so much for all comments
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