Canyonero and GriGri

Hello

I have a Canyonero rope, which is a bit stiff, but otherwise fine rope.

I am considering to buy a GriGri2 device. Being a stiff rope, will Canyonero work with it? Does anyone have experience.

Thank you.

A GriGri is not a good rappel device for a canyon. There are much better, cheaper, and more reliable options out there. So in short your rope will work with a GriGri, but there are many better options for rappel devices.


Wes

That is an expensive device to use in canyons. Canyon rappel devices are designed to be inexpensive to replace and allow for adjustable friction. Plus, a grigri would be a nightmare once filled with sand.

Like others said, bad option. Getting any sand at all would be horrible, it would be a pain if you have a swimming disconnect, and you would be limited to only single strand rappels.

I have experience with Grigri and stiff rope (not Canyonero) and it's not a pretty picture. Grigri works best with relatively soft, supple rope. Good results from a Grigri/Canyonero union should not be expected. Look for divorce down the line...

That sounds really, really painful ...

Gordon

Thank you for replies.

I agree with your points regarding canyons, sand, etc.

But the thing is that I am using the rope for climbing trees time to time (I know its not designed for that, but it works great). So my question is more, if you disregard price, dirt, sand, water, etc. will it work with Grigri.

Hank Moon already mentioned about the "divorce"...

I ask it here, as I assumed you would have most experience with Canyonero rope.

The short answer is: yes. It will work.

But honestly, I would buy separate ropes for each activity. Just pony up and get an ideal rope for both.

10 or 11mm Sterling HTP works splendidly with a grigri. I use 11mm HTP with a grigri when climbing SRT for large conifer removals. DRT I climb on New England Dragonfly.

Monardo,
I have a GriGri2, A Canyonero, and a pain-in-the-ass Siberian Elm I have to climb every year to prune. The GriGri2 works fine with the Canyonero. I use the combination since the Canyonero is the largest diameter static line I have. I feel the GriGri locks reliably and still gives decent control when descending. The Canyonero slides through the GriGri easily so don't rely on it latching by itself.. it will require holding the "brake" side to get the cam to actuate (at least on my fairly new rope). I tie knots below the device at regular intervals and clip them to my belay loop as a "backup".

As a side note, I also have a Trango Cinch, which I greatly prefer over the GriGri2. It also works well with the Canyonero despite being .2mm below the spec'd allowable rope diameter. The straighter rope path of the Cinch lets it feed more smoothly making self-belay less of a hassle.

-t

Finally, the voice of real experience! I am surprised that Canyonero works well with a Grigri but...good news for Monardo.

Tom, are you aware of the relatively high number of Cinch-related accidents / failures?

Goog it up sometime and play safe!

To be clear, the GriGri2 with the Canyonero does NOT act the same as is does with a supple dynamic rope. It has worked fine for me, but I don't implicitly trust any "auto locking" belay device. Always keep a hand on the brake strand and be careful not to try reduce the load the device needs to engage the cam by gripping above the device on the "climber" end.

Thanks for the warning Hank. I am familiar with Cinch issues associated with user technique and heavy wear. That is what you were referring to right? I guess it is the trade-off for its smooth feeding of slack.

-t

Not user technique. But reports of failure due to wear (not necessarily heavy wear) and mystery failure (which is probably either due to wear or poor technique). Anyway, just wanted to give you a heads up. Looks like they fixed that earlier problem of the handle breaking off mid-lower.

Hello, this is a follow-up on my post.

I decided to buy GriGri2 (after seeing with 20% discount) and want to confirm that it works quite fine with Canyonero rope.

Thanks for all posts.

You climb double-rope to work on trees?

T

I have a 50' length of Canyonero that I use for Search and Rescue as an edge line/anchor tie in. I use a GriGri2 to attach myself to this line so that I have an attachment point when I approach edges and scout the drops to patients or a line to assist the patient packages over the edge. The Canyonero works well. Most edge lines in commercially available kits use 8mm cord or rope for this and a prussik system. I went with the Canyonero specifically so I could have a 9mm rope that is load rated for rappelling if I needed it and big enough to attach my GriGri2 onto so that I can use that as my travel restraint or if I go over the edge with it I can use it as a progress capture for me to re-ascend back up over the lip after I'm done with what ever is going on. I have not had any issues or problems, but it is only a periodic use with it.

I did set up a z-rig hauling system off of an anchor to pull a single person ambulatory (walking person) up a slope. They did not like the angle and I used the GriGri2 as the pulley/PCD on the anchor with the z-rig. The rope was an 8.3 Canyon Fire. The GriGri2 has given me problems in the past with 8mm cord/rope, but this time it worked OK. Maybe it was because it wasn't a full hanging weight and they were still walking instead of dragging dead weight vertically up.

I've been using a GriGri with 9mm Bluewater Canyonator rope extensively this winter as a safety while clearing snow off my two-story roof. Sometimes the rope gets icy and even stiffer. It wasn't auto-locking reliably, until I placed a small wire-gate biner off my belay loop as a rope guide, to keep the control rope going down. With that setup, it locks very well. I'm using it hands-free most of the time, while I shovel. Some of the time I'm leaning off the edge and standing on ice, pushing big blocks of snow off. I anchor to infrastructure at ground level, on the opposite side of house. I use a rug to protect to rope where it goes over the crest. This setup has been working great, many hours using it.