Other than from my experiences with Todd, he prefers quicker and direct routes rather than longer and roundabout routes. For example, to access Buckfarm, I knew of an easier route in (or at least a less scary route in), but he took us on what I call the "Ledges if Death" because it was quicker. Edit: I was speaking of Todd Martin; not the other Todd. Anyway, when I get home, I will try and mark the route we took (assuming it still exist) on a map. At the time at least, it was easier than the Lava Falls route, but I don't know that's still the case. I can't imagine that the route doesn't exist anymore, even if the trail has deteriorated a lot since then. By off trail Grand Canyon standards, it was pretty straight foreward. We found the route from the bottom up. I think it was George Steck told us of the route, but I think it was second hand. I'd have to check if that green line is the way we took up from the Supai. That was a long time ago. Also, years ago, I told Kelsey about the routes we did and he put them in his book (though he mismarked Stairway Canyon in some additions and instead marked it as what is actually Willow!). If anyone has the Kelsey books, maybe try and match that to the routes. He never did so Stairway, but he did do the route to the river near Cove. I just assumed he used our route, but maybe he used Todd's. I'm away from home now and can't check the book. I never thought of it before since I just assumed everyone was using the same route we did. It wasn't until reading though this thread yesterday that I noticed that the two routes were different.